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Old Souls (band)

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This article came up as part of WP:NOV24. It has been unreferenced since creation in 2007. Per WP:BEFORE, unable to find any evidence the subject meets any aspect of WP:MUSICBIO. Propose delete. ResonantDis_tortion 23:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Article appears also to have been WP:HIJACK/Aed in ~2019... Searching for sources is particularly hard as "Old souls"/"Souls" returns a lot of events that are not related to music. Shazback (talk) 20:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Masi

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Fails WP:NSINGER. Fails WP:SIGCOV. No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years and no coverage. No band article as atd. References are extremely poor. scope_creep^Talk 13:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Searching only yields passing mentions of him in local coverage of charity events and websites for small venue performances. No music reviews or anything. Waddles 🗩 🖉 16:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Just because an artist or their albums are briefly mentioned in passing doesn't mean they are notable. Was unable to find any sort of in-depth coverage about the artist aside from these brief mentions. Also fails WP:SIGCOV as mentioned. Beachweak (talk) 13:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I don't really see how WP:GNG is not satisfied when there are multiple articles with significantly more than WP:ROUTINE mentions in Nov. 2014, Dec. 2014, Jan. 2015 and in Apr. 2022. Unless these sources fail WP:RS, the fact that there is interest in knowing more about this player who had a very unremarkable career seven/eight years on from the notable event of when he was signed out of high school is IMO a notable indication of potential notability. Most players that retire before they turn 27 with (apparently) 0 games in the top two divisions don't get anything more than a one-liner as part of a broader list of retirees or a courtesy post on the club's website, so that he had a lengthy article & interview is what stands out most to me. Probably someone who speaks Japanese could locate better sources, as I imagine there is a reason why this player's retirement received this level of attention. Shazback (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crispy Concords

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Non-notable YouTuber. Some minor coverage in gaming-adjacent sources, but the coverage I could find was either not in-depth or took the form of listicles - Nothing enough to meet WP:GNG. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 23:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Introduction to the Theory of Computation

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Stub with basically no content, notability not established. Tule-hog (talk) 23:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I can only find the one formal review already included as a source in the article, but there is more in-depth content about this book in the following non-review sources:
- "Designing Theory of Computing Backwards" SIGCSE 2024 [1] [2] ("The very popular ToC textbook by Sipser ... is very standard"; later article text provides more detail on Sipser's book in order to compare with a different presentation preferred by the authors)
- "Towards a Mechanized Theory of Computation for Education" Types 2022 [3] ("We formalize Sipser’s Introduction to the theory of computation in Coq")

Two more sources for which I did not find the full text to check whether it was in-depth (the first one) or that discuss the text and support its popularity but are not in-depth (the second one):

"Strategies in the theory of computation" J. Computing Sciences in Colleges [4] ("I use Michael Sipser’s text Introduction to the Theory of Computation ... Sipser’s text is fairly compact and his presentations favor conceptual understanding"),
"Teaching Theoretical Computer Science and Mathematical Techniques to Diverse Undergraduate Student Populations" ASEE 2018 [5] ("The textbook I adopted is one of the two most widely used texts on introductory theory of computing, one by MIT professor M. Sipser")

I think that is enough for WP:GNG (and I think WP:NBOOK is mostly just a statement that like other GNG-based topics we need in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources, which we have here). As for "it's a stub", that's not a valid deletion rationale, especially when there exist sources from which to expand it. (Disclaimer: I was brought here by a talk page notice because I had added the one review source already present in the article. I think that should count as the standard notice to significant contributors and not as canvassing.) —David Eppstein (talk) 00:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per David above. Enough to pass GNG/NBOOK. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think that with the above documentation (and sifting through a heap of miscellaneous course syllabi), we have sufficient indications that the book is a standard text and adequately article-worthy. XOR'easter (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG BryceM2001 (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should be WP:SALT ed as well. Multiple creations were deleted. BryceM2001 (talk) 17:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zulmarys Sánchez

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The article mentions Sanchez was a semi-finalist in the Olympics, but there's nothing that mentions winning a medal there. According to the categories, she did win a silver medal in the Pan American Games, but the ultimate issue is sourcing; I only found database results in the WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:SPORTSPERSON. Sánchez's silver medal at the 2007 Pan American Games can be confirmed here:[6]. It was in the women's K-4 500 metres canoeing category (Canoeing at the 2007 Pan American Games). Other examples of independent coverage include the following: [7][8][9]. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That guideline says Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Where exactly is the significant coverage in any of those sources that you've linked? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree, the article was not ready at all shape. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article lacks citations, contains insufficient information, and has numerous flaws. It is not adequately developed or reliable enough for the mainspace in its current state, and it does not conform to what Wikipedia stands for. Furthermore, it fails to follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for creating an article. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please mind WP:HASPOT. The subject's notability is not determined by the article's current quality. Rather, the question should be if the article can be improved. I can try helping with this if needed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cited WP:SPORTSPERSON because A sportsperson is presumed to be notable if the person has won a significant honor, which is the silver medal won at the Pan American Games, and this source[10] furthers mentions that she also participated in the 2015 Games. There could be more coverage, but the subject it is independent as shown in the sources, particularly those in Spanish. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete its still lacks of coverage, information as well as references and citation, not ready for mainspace...when using the article for creation and submission, many articles were declined. However, it is very upsetting to see this one published despite its clear flaws. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 1,2 to 3 sources is not enough to cover the one sentence article and as you visit the publisher its not notable and reputable enough and Wikipedia doesn't support any of those. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No news articles about this person that I can find, only databases, and WP:SPORTSPERSON is actually the reason why it shouldn't be kept. Procyon117 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Indeed its not notable enough to pass Wikipedia standards. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 08:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be very careful with your continued commenting, Rc ramz. While I believe that responding to any, even all, comments in a discussion with productive and engaging replies is good and acceptable, you are not doing that - you are replying with agreement or mere reiteration of, well, every comment you agree with. This is pointless and unnecessary, and appears to me as a way of just creating more noise for your side to try influence a closer. That's WP:Bludgeoning. Kingsif (talk) 21:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify I'm pretty certain I will be able to expand this bio to WP standards - editors who know my work will know that Olympian stubs and Venezuelan stubs are an area of expertise and this is both - but don't have the time right now. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment People with English-language browsers will as a rule be shown fewer foreign-language results, so if people are wanting to look for potential sources it would be useful to include some Spanish. The general Spanish word for canoe as a sport is piragüismo, though in Venezuela it is more common to use canotaje, and adding either or both of those to a browser search for her name will probably deliver more than just her name. Kingsif (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Commission on Combating Corruption

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There is no reliable sourcing in this article. One of many articles imported by Azerbaijani editors into English Wikipedia that just stenograph the propaganda of the authoritarian regime without any reliable sourcing. Thenightaway (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Just because there aren't any reliable sources on the page doesn't mean they don't exist, and isn't really an argument against notability. Per WP:BEFORE you have to check for them if you're doing an AFD. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: Some independent (mostly Western government or NGO) sources exist: [11], [12]. Not sure if those count as significant coverage, however. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are primary sources that say nothing substantive about this government program. Thenightaway (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Corruption in Azerbaijan as an ATD, and because it’s basically a fork. I’m seeing a lot of poorly sourced Azeri stubs lately - there must be dozens or hundreds - some of which are duplicated or forks. Bearian (talk) 18:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Riddler: Secrets in the Dark

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I can't find anything on this besides casting announcements which I don't think count for notability as a routine sort of source. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment as an WP:ATD this could be merged or redirected to Batman Unburied. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or redirect to Batman Unburied. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the purposes of consensus building, fine by me PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paul Gosling

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ - there does not seem to be WP:SIGCOV. Only 4 Google News results and all are mentions. Less than 40 Google Books results, but all seem to be either false positives or mere mentions. starship.paint (talk / cont) 09:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the comment below by Ser! I am withdrawing the bold vote at this point. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - runner up twice in the world championship of darts and former English international. Per this article in The West Briton he seems to have had some notability for his time - Writing in 1980, journalist Derek Brown wrote that Paul was "the fastest shot in the West", and added that Paul was also "noted for his sidewhiskers" and "his liking for a cigar". Found further coverage in The West Briton, The Evening Post (admittedly not a huge article but worth noting he got coverage for winning the Marlboro Masters), a photo in The West Briton with some info on his notable achievements, the Daily Record writing about him becoming "a new England star they love to hate", with a followup later (and a further followup in the same paper about the disciplinary action he received) and a small article in the Daily Mirror (a national newspaper!) about him being dropped from the England team (and for that matter, the Daily Mirror covered him being called up in the first place). Interestingly, there's an ad in the West Briton from a company, with the sole tagline being that "England international Paul Gosling" used this company's darts - not quite sigcov, but background info on him being a notable figure in darts for his time. Of course, coverage of anyone involved in darts from this era is gonna be more sparse than expected but Gosling seems to genuinely have been notable during his era. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Home Town Hero

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, other than a biography ([13]) and an album review ([14]) by AllMusic, which isn't a lot. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Under the Influence of Giants, since three of the members were in both bands. toweli (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The group meets WP:MUSIC with two releases on Maverick Records, and the Allmusic entries are serviceable references; they also toured nationally with Stone Temple Pilots and Linkin Park. I managed to dig up [15] this review as well, even though it's gotten very difficult to find album reviews from 20+ years ago on the Internet. Chubbles (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to a member of Under the Influence of Giants, Bitch City was never released ([16]; according to Discogs it was apparently self-released [17]). Regardless, notability is not inherited, and I don't see Linkin Park mentioned anyway. I don't know if ink19 is a reliable source, but even if it is, there's just not enough coverage to establish notability. toweli (talk) 15:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning ~~Keep~~ as presuming MUSICBIO notability per above coverage, and given the age presuming that further coverage is likely. Further evidence is an album review available in Hits 2002; critical coverage Hits 2001; and the CMJ new music reports indicate extensive airplay, including for example: [18]. There's a lot of hits on worldradiohistory that will take time to sift. ResonantDis_tortion 18:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've identified further coverage on ProQuest - not major sigcov, but better than passing mentions: Detroit Free Press - they "often bore", two paragraph gig review supporting Incubus in News Gazette, album review in Morning Call, and paragraph of coverage in Billboard. ResonantDis_tortion 21:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Aaron Bruno#Home Town Hero. First, they did not release two albums on Maverick, only one. Second, I think the reviews and other coverage falls just short of the depth that would be required. I also found more reviews, [19] [20] but as you can see these are not reliable or significant enough. Last but not least, we lack independent sources for nearly all the band history. A merger would preserve the edit history and it can be revived later if more sources are scanned/made available. Geschichte (talk) 11:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect. I can get behind this as an WP:ATD, and strike my previous !vote to keep. There is certainly sufficient reliable coverage to demonstrate a level of notability, and therefore the subject does warrant a presence on Wikipedia, but we are, at current standing, one in-depth article away from coverage to support a distinct seperate article. ResonantDis_tortion 18:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Under the Influence of Giants as an ATD, per nom. Although I do have SOME reservations based on the lack of sourcing and notability in that target: it's a hot wee mess, that article... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan Bulpitt

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No evidence of notability for this English cricketer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Possible redirect targets include List of Cambridge UCCE & MCCU players and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club players, though the latter has not been updated with his name yet. JTtheOG (talk) 21:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cyberduck

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No evidence of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines: no independent sources cited at all, even after being tagged for sources for 12 years, and tagged for notability further back than that. (I put a PROD on this article, but it was quite rightly removed, because there had previously been a PROD, which I hadn't seen. That previous PROD was removed without explanation by an editor who expressed the opinion that the subject might not be notable.) JBW (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sourcing that isn't primary or in a RS now in the article, all I can pull up are download links or GetHub items. Nothing for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Turnip (terminology)

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Should be a dismabiguation page instead - etymology content in the article is better placed on Wiktionary LR.127 (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change to Disambig I created this article decades ago, but Wikipedia was a different animal then, and I wouldn't do it now. I have no objection to changing this into a disambig, but that is not the same as deletion. The only hesitation I have is that we don't normally have pictures in a disambig article, but they really do help to disambiguate this topic. In principle I disagree with the assertion that etymological information belongs in Wiktionary - it is often a very important part of a Wikipedia article, but this is not such a case. Doric Loon (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I put this in AfD for deletion because Turnip (disambiguation) already exists - at most, I think a "merge" consensus would be appropriate, merging any appropriate content from the terminology article to the disambiguation article. LR.127 (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LR.127 Ah, I see. OK. Doric Loon (talk) 11:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge appropriate listings to Turnip (disambiguation) and crosswiki the rest as needed. Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Officer in charge (police)

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stub article with no sources and little notability LR.127 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The article was created in 2009. Mehedi Abedin 20:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Anson Tsang

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Simone Andrian

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jans Arends

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryan LaPlante

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Insufficient notability. Kablammo (talk) 14:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Hall (poker player)

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rodrigo Seiji

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More non-notable poker fancruft. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeremi Licata

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No indication of notability, only sources are his own albums on Apple Music. A WP:BEFORE didn't find anything beyond self-published social media pages, so WP:GNG is very unlikely to be met, and it doesn't look like anything in WP:NSINGER is met either. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As Chaotic Enby says, Google finds nothing beyond social media posts and music download links. No significant coverage, indeed, nothing from reliable sources. - Donald Albury 22:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Google News returns zero results for this artist. The article makes a lot of questionable claims, which while not a primary reason for deletion, is just something to note. Fails WP:SIGCOV and definitely fails WP:MUSICBIO. Beachweak (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Theroadislong (talk) 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Meiswikepiediaeditor (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to give a policy based reason for your decision. Theroadislong (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fails WP:NMUSICIAN Meiswikepiediaeditor (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Jara

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Only played 706 minutes in Peru as well as the Chilean second division. Kept before due to a guideline that no longer exists. A WP:BEFORE only yielded this piece from before he went to Peru, and this quote-heavy piece – in addition to databases and passing mentions. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: not notable, couldn't find any other sources that would make the player pass GNG Noah ^💬 18:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Offensive weapon

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Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE, no context for why this legal term is encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not purely a legal reference and this article just cites laws and legal decisions. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: topic does not seem notable at all outside of the legal documents. Noah ^💬 18:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP: Of course it is notable - an offensive weapon may not be a term where you or the proposer are from, but it is a clearly defined element of law that has been around for decades. I have no idea why the proposer decided to find this article doesn't meet WP eligibility criteria after the article being around for 17 years, but this is notable enough that it does need its own article. Seeing as someone from the USA and the proposer, from the Philippines, has an issue with this, then perhaps the best course of action should be to create a page 'Offensive Weapon in English/Welsh Law' like we have for many UK policing or general criminal law related articles. Deleting it outright is unnecessary. Apeholder (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is saying Wikipedia should be purely a legal reference, but this legal term is ubiquitous in the law of some European countries and has a social impact, that it should be included. The article also does not "simply cite laws and legal decisions", Why not just add a 'needs expansion' tag to this page, so users can see why the article is there with a good lede perhaps? Why call for the deletion of it outright? Apeholder (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WHY was it nominated for deletion? So far, most of its sources are WP:PRIMARY. This is insufficient to pass GNG, while failing INDISCRIMINATE as well. You have not offered up actual sources to disprove this assertion. Rather than being angry at the nominator, proving them indisputably wrong with reliable secondary sources is a better idea when it comes to saving an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, why didn't you add 'better sources needed' instead of nominating the article for deletion? Why not improve the article or at least tag it so it can be improved? Why not rename it as a specific article about English/Welsh law like we have already on WP? To delete it outright is a very strange request. Meanwhile, I have added 2 secondary sources to the article, so your deletion request should now be reconsidered Apeholder (talk) 16:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prince and Family

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Non-notable upcoming film, see WP:NFF with no extensive coverage beyond generic press releases (that I can find, at least—with the caveat that I don't read Malayalam beyond my browser's translate function) with no indication that this passes WP:NFILM or the WP:GNG. As nominator, not opposed to a drafty, but not presently notable. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: Aside from press releases, announcements, first-look posters, and a few trivial mentions, there are no sources that meets GNG at present. Additionally, there's no confirmed release date, with some sources speculating December 2024 or early 2025. Given that many of the crew members are well-known in the industry and the film marks the lead actor's 150th project (which is highlighted in almost every source), it's likely that significant coverage will emerge closer to the film's release.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Mims Mentor: This is more like a "rush to publish to the mainspace so everyone will see that it has an article" scenario. Intrisit (talk) 20:39, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carmine Nappi

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This article, which appears to suffer from WP:TAGBOMBING, does not establish notability per WP:MUSICBIO. While it includes WP:TOOMANYREFS, many are only passing mentions, and some do not mention the subject at all. I would have considered draftifying it, but since it is an AfC-accepted article, I have brought it here for community inputs. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral: My AFC acceptance was as a borderline acceptance, something we are encouraged to do. I have a personal policy of remaining steadfastly. neutral when an AFC acceptance of mine cones to AfD. I will be interested in the eventual outcome. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think it should be allowed to breathe for a little while longer. If time passes and no better sources are added (making it definitely fail WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG) then deletion should be considered. Beachweak (talk) 14:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep. From what I understand, the issue arises from “a lack of articles/I am not mentioned in the articles,” but upon checking the articles, everything written on the Wikipedia page is cited in the articles, and my name is also present in these articles, sometimes even in the title, such as:

• “Carmine Nappi, Music, Shows, and Management at a National Level”

• “Carmine Nappi Project and Top Records Present Giuseppe Iadonisi with the Song ‘Luna’”

• “Carmine Nappi is the Product Manager of Ella Armstrong’s New Album”

• “Carmine Nappi Project: A Remarkable Presence in the Musical and Cultural Field”

• TAG: “CARMINE NAPPI PROJECT on laprovinciaonline”

Others mention it in the text, for instance:

· “Talent Show in Naples: Sanremo & Castrocaro Objective”

o “Carmine Nappi – Producer and Manager (Carmine Nappi Project Management & Productions), National Coordinator of ‘A Voice for Sanremo.’”

· “Giuseppe Iadonisi Wins ‘A Voice for Sanremo’”

o “In recent days, an agreement was finalized between the artist’s producer, Carmine Nappi, and the record label that owns the ‘A Voice for Sanremo’ trademark, ‘Bao Bello Music,’ led by record producer Fabio Ciacci.”

o “Indeed, these days, his first album, titled ‘Il tuo domani,’ will be released on platforms via ‘Zimbalam,’ managed by Carmine Nappi Project Management & Productions.”

· “Sanremo Festival. Campanian Artists in the RAI New Proposals Category Selections”

o “Producers Guido Palma and Carmine Nappi, heads of the record labels ‘Top Records’ and ‘Carmine Nappi Project,’…”

o “The producers Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma express great satisfaction with their selections as they move towards presenting these five artists at the Sanremo competition, with much confidence. Their hope is that one of them succeeds in advancing through the selection, given the talent each possesses. The production also thanks Giuseppe Iadonisi, an artist who has worked closely with Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma in recent months to finalize work plans for the various artists, focusing on music and video aspects.”

· “Sanremo 2016: Artist Presentation for RAI New Proposals Category Selections”

o “Producers Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma express great satisfaction with their selections as they move towards presenting these five artists at the Sanremo competition, with much confidence. Their hope is that one of them succeeds in advancing through the selection, given the talent each possesses.”

o “Producers Guido Palma and Carmine Nappi, heads of the record labels ‘Top Records’ and ‘Carmine Nappi Project,’ completed the lengthy process of selecting artists for the ‘Youth Towards the Future’ project, which began in December 2014, an idea conceived by Nappi himself and the well-known Italian record producer Guido Palma, a highly respected figure in the Italian music industry, awarded the Career Achievement Award by the AFI (Italian Phonographic Association) in 2012.”

o “The production also thanks Giuseppe Iadonisi, an artist who has worked closely with Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma in recent months to finalize work plans for the various artists, focusing on music and video aspects.”

· “Ama-Man, the New Album by Giuseppe Iadonisi”

o “His second work is co-produced by the Carmine Nappi Project Group and Top Records of Milan.”

o “It is the result of a human and musical journey that has grown over time and matured with Giuseppe, to the extent of having all the credentials to be labeled ‘discographic.’ It will be co-produced by the Carmine Nappi Project Group and Top Records of Milan.”

o “The final thanks go to Carmine Nappi, the producer who believed in him and continues to support him, wishing him a special future. We at Clarus believe in him too…”

· “Nola: At the Mondadori Literary Café, the Exclusive Preview of Ella Armstrong’s New Album”

o “The EP, distributed by ‘Top Records and Carmine Nappi Project’”

o “First Record Work for Luisa Iossa, Winner of the Vallo Fest Contest 2019”

o “With a guitar for a friend and many words to put into music, she is now preparing to debut her first record work after winning the Vallo Fest 2019 festival, which gave her the opportunity to sign her first record deal with Carmine Nappi, Producer of the Carmine Nappi Project.”

· “From Terzigno to Sanremo: Pasquale Auricchio and His ‘Immense Love’”

o “Supported by his teacher and producer Carmine Nappi, to whom he feels very personally connected.”

Therefore, I do not see a lack of sources; on the contrary, I have included several articles for every cited element, confirming its accuracy and ensuring a neutral point of view based on newspaper articles. I would like to specifically understand which part of the text is not cited in the articles, creating this alleged lack of sources. Carminenappi1986 (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lana Del Rey UK and Ireland Tour 2025

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Not yet organised event, only one reference is all. also references are about past tours. kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 16:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, there is 1 reference about a past performance, her Reading & Leeds festival performance which I felt was appropriate to add due to it taking place in the same place as the current tour. It is an organised event, tickets went on sale today, and is available to view on Del Rey’s website here:https://www.lanadelrey.com/live/ and furthermore here are multiple other references: https://pitchfork.com/news/lana-del-rey-to-play-stadium-concerts-in-united-kingdom-and-ireland/ https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/11/27/lana-del-rey-ticket-prices-uk-ireland-tour/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly27y1v3p7o.amp. I can also add these references to the page itsself. Olivergrandeee (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Lana Del Rey live performances per Guliolopez. It is too soon for an article like this, and despite the sources, it fails WP:NTOUR. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be okay for me to revert it to a draft and once it’s generated more publicity / if it generates more publicity to re-publish it? This is my first time making an article so this is all really confusing to me sorry Olivergrandeee (talk) 18:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of Lana Del Rey live performances. Or, failing that, draftify. (Per nom, is WP:TOOSOON for a standalone article on this planned/proposed/future event. Certainly the refs do not support an independent article). Guliolopez (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anele and the Club on 947

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Radio show not notable for entry. Before search did not present any indication of notability as there are no secondary sources Mekomo (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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M Aminul Islam

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The subject does not have multiple SIGCOV coverages from reliable secondary sources, hence failing to meet WP:GNG. Additionally, the subject is not an elected member, thus failing to meet WP:NPOL. According to sources, he is a “Special Assistant to the Chief Adviser” who will handle the “Education Ministry” until the Bangladeshi interim government ends. Technically, they have the powers of State Ministers, as source also confirm that they will receive the salary, allowances, and benefits of a State Minister. Therefore, I doubt notability, so taking it to AfD. GrabUp - Talk 15:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - basically the same page was moved to draftspace on 11 November (Draft:M Aminul Islam) and it should be incubated there so that issues about notability etc. can be ironed out. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per non. ~~Comment Recently created unsourced BLPs don't necessarily require an AfD nomination. Draftification may be a more constructive approach to address the issue.~~ TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheBirdsShedTears: Draftification is not an option when challenged. AfD is the only option when draftification is challenged. Read WP:DRAFTNO. This article was recently draftified by Josh. If I could have draftify it, then why would I not draftify it? GrabUp - Talk 15:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't notice it until reading the comments from SunloungerFrog and you. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The article gives no clue what kind of academic M. Aminul Islam might be, and the only Google Scholar profile I found [21] looks like a mishmash of articles by other people, not all with the same name. A regular minister of a national government would pass WP:NPOL but I don't think a special assistant to an interim government does. So the article, in the state it was nominated in, does not make a convincing claim for notability. But with that as background, the sources clarify that he is a physicist from the University of Rajshahi and former vice chancellor (that is, head) of Shahjalal University of Science and Technology. Here's a source for that, with dates: [22]. I think that should be enough for WP:PROF#C6. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I agree that the Vice-Chancellor of a university is notable. Withdrawing the nomination. Thanks. GrabUp - Talk 19:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shafiqa al-Qibtiyya

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Per WP:GNG, WP:BASIC; lacks significant coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources, consists mainly of incidental details and the available sources provide no appropriate depth or independent analysis to establish notability as per the former. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Easy keep, coverage here [23] and [24] Oaktree b (talk) 16:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two more for fun [25], [26] Oaktree b (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG states "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage"; the coverage in these sources is nonsignificant, per WP:SIGCOV. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She was the first famous belly dancer. There are plenty of information about her. I do not understand why she should not be notable. Of course, most information would be in her native language. But that is a common scenario about a notable person who has before the age of internet not been very well known in the English language.--Aciram (talk) 16:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being the "first famous [blank]" does not inherently equate to WP:NOTE and a stand-alone article. Per the latter, the individual must be significantly documented in reputable, secondary sources that provide more than just biographical data; incidental mentions or superficial coverage, even if in multiple sources, do not meet the threshold for notability, see WP:NBIO. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Major Clubs T20 Tournament

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Domestic cricket tournament with no coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seasons of this tournament also. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Piotr Bartkowiak

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The article of this Polish men's footballer has been tagged for notability issues for more 15 years. He only played four matches with Lech Poznań in Extraklarsa, before moving to lower clubs then disappeared for over two decades. I can't find anything other than database sources and a lot of results show the unrelated assistant coach Karol Bartkowiak. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - if you want the article cleaned up or looked at, then sending it to AfD is not the right way to go about it. Doubtless, nineteen years on people will be able to find better sources than me. I remember translating several footballers' articles from foreign-language Wikipedias back in the day and if it seems so long since I worked on Polish footballers. The article was deleted on pl.wiki around three weeks after I submitted it to en.wiki on whatever the equivalent is on Poland's AfD. Bobo . 15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naved Aslam

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Unsourced BLP. No indication of significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV scope_creep^Talk 14:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a reference so it's not unreferenced, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject has worked in numerous movies and has also been part of multiple television shows. Previously, the article relied on a single source, but I have now added several new sources to improve its credibility. The subject clearly meets the criteria outlined in WP:ENT. Baqi:) (talk) 12:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of USAF Fighter Wings assigned to Strategic Air Command

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I really struggled to find decent reliable sources for this list as a whole during my WP:BEFORE searches. http://www.strategic-air-command.com/wings/fighter_wings.htm is unfortunately blank, and I think the site is community-generated anyway. That said, it is likely that only offline sources exist. There are two mentioned in the parent page Strategic Air Command wings, neither of which I have access to, and I am slightly dubious of their quality, just going on the information that's there - no ISBN for either (I did check on Google Books), and the Battermix Publishing Company of America is not known to me as a publisher. So I didn't feel that I could just copy them across. As an alternative to deletion, I suggest that the article be draftified so that WP:MILHIST can work on it in slower time. I note that it has been bereft of sources for some 15 years, and that the previous AfD did not seem to lead to significant improvement in sourcing. SunloungerFrog (talk) 13:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Category:Fighter wings of the United States Air Force. The list was created in 2006 and does not appear to have had sourcing. The category was created in 2010, and achieves the original intended list. The required sourcing can be found in the individual articles of the category.— Maile (talk) 14:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Unencyclopedic list. MimirIsSmart (talk) 07:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Editors (novel)

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A non notable new novel that happens to be transparently about Wikipedia editors. Deleted in October following a deletion discussion [27]. Restored to draft in good faith by someone who thought it might become notable. The draft was moved to mainspace by a different editor, unaware of the previous deletion, but who, in page talk, believes it is notable, having added some sources. I disagree. Source analysis below. I also note that we have a curious case of conflict of interest here. This article is about a book about us the editors of Wikipedia. That cannot be helped, but if we do not uphold our standards of notability for a book like this, then that COI will be plain for all to see. If we essentially advertise a new non notable book about Wikipedia editors, then we say advertising such material is okay - as long as it is material about us! So I believe a firm line should be taken on notability standards. As and when it clearly meets WP:NBOOK, it may be included, but it should not be included until that happens.

Source Analysis:

The following are all the sources on the page. They primarily fail for not being independent. I cannot see that any count towards notability. I have collapsed the list for readability.

Source Analysis

Numlock News [28]: Previously considered at old AfD. Self published by Walt Hickey. WP:SPS N
Studlife (2 of) [29], [30] By Avi Holzman: Washington State University student newspaper. The July article is a Q&A with the author. Clearly not independent. A month later the interviewer wrote a summary of the forthcoming book, and thus this is clearly also not independent. N
Inkshares (2 of) [31] [32]: Self publishing platform. WP:SPS. N
New America [33]: Publicity blurb from an event announcement. Not independent. N
Katy Trail Weekly [34]: This newspaper describes itself as "A community news and lifestyle pieces for the neighborhoods around the Katy Trail in Dallas, Texas" and says "A Turtle Creek resident, Harrison has just released The Editors..." So it is a local news piece about a local author who just published a book. That is WP:MILL. It is specifically excluded by the last sentence of WP:BOOKCRIT criterion 1. N
GeekDad [35] Publicity blurb from product/event announcement. Thus not an independent review. N
Fantastic Fiction [36]: Book seller's blurb. Not independent. N
MyHighPlains [37]: Previously considered at old AfD. A local news station. As for Katy Trail Weekly, this is excluded by WP:BOOKCRIT C1. N
The Guardian [38]: This is a piece by Stephen Harrison (the author), about Wikipedia. Clearly not independent. N
Yahoo Life [39]: Previously considered at old AfD. Part of the Yahoo for creators programme. WP:FORBESCON was discussed regarding reliability but in any case, based on an interview and thus not independent. N
Slate [40]: Lists articles written by the author. Clearly not independent. N
Wikpedia20 - MIT Press [41]: by Omer Benjakob and Stephen Harrison, so clearly not independent. N

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Pinging previous attendees of last AfD. Hemiauchenia, CurryTime7-24, Carrite, Yngvadottir, Significa_liberdade Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Pinging the particpants of the AfD that closed last month: @Hemiauchenia:, @CurryTime7-24:, @Carrite:, @Yngvadottir:, @Yngvadottir:, @Significa liberdade:. Owen× ☎ 13:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is still not a single reliable, non self published book review. A basic requirement for any book to warrant a Wikipedia article. Copying my comment from the last AfD: "Did a WP:BEFORE but I couldn't find enough to unambiguously pass WP:NBOOK or WP:GNG. The first source is an interview, which seems questionable as a source of notability for a book. The piece is part of the Yahoo for Creators program, which has an unclear level of editorial control from Yahoo itself, and may be published with little editorial oversight like WP:FORBESCON, but I'm not sure. The second source is a local news station, which I think is of questionable notability. The third source "Numlock News" is a self-published substack blog which as far as I am aware does not count towards notability". Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No reviews from Kirkus, Publishers Weekly, Booklist, or Library Journal, which many have argued "review everything". I found one review from Novels Alive, though I've never heard of the site. There's also another interview published with Yahoo. If more sources are found, ping me. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Best I could find is an Opinion piece in the Washington Post [42], rest of the sources are as discussed in the table above. I still don't think we have book notability, but with one decent review in a RS I'd probably give a weak !keep. Oaktree b (talk) 16:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The only mentions from sources that are otherwise reliable are unacceptable because they are not independent of the subject. A further search for both author and book still turn up nothing that establishes notability. If the outcome here is again to delete, WP:SALT may be worth considering this time. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This source is independent, though not yet used.[43] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per [44] Check Out BookLife, [Publishers Weekly]'s site for self-published authors! BookLife is [Publishers Weekly]'s site dedicated to the world of Self-Publishing. According to [45] BookLife functions like the Kirkus Indie program that Kirkus Reviews has (see WP:KIRKUS), where the author pays to get their book reviewed. It's therefore not independent and does not count towards notability. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - or at least draftify again so as not to lose all the work. I think we need a broader discussion than just the same editors who AFD'ed it last time, but I'll just add a couple of things here, one of which I wrote on the talk page.
- Per WP:NBOOK, "Failure to satisfy the criteria outlined in this guideline (or any other notability guideline) is not a criterion for speedy deletion. The criteria provided by this guideline are rough criteria. They are not exhaustive. Accordingly, a book may be notable, and merit an article, for reasons not particularized in this or any other notability guideline."
- Geekdad and Katy Trail Weekly are independent sources, and the interview on WFAA currently in External links is an independent source. Harrison is also interviewed on this source (see 1A (radio program)), along with WP editors who discuss issues relating to editing Wikipedia and presenting information.

I just don't see the point of deleting something that can be useful to readers of Wikipedia. Anyone reading the book would expect to find it on Wikipedia. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTEVERYTHING: "Information should not be included solely because it is true or useful."

WP:NOTDIRECTORY: "Wikipedia is not a directory of everything in the universe that exists or has existed". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the criterion from WP:NBOOK does not apply here. This is an AfD, not speedy deletion. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the new source you mention, the 1A radio program, is an interview, so not independent. It does not count towards notability. And to note, you are the editor who moved this back to mainspace.[46] Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a rule preventing me from commenting, please let me know. I explained on the talk page why I improved and moved the article, being unaware of a previous afd.

There are hundreds of biographies using interviews as sources. It is an independent source if it is not paid or solicited, or in any way connected to or emanating from the subject. This one indicates that the topic is being reported by an independent media outlet. Obviously not to be used to quote the interviewee saying how wonderful the book is, but there's nothing to prevent its use as a source of neutral info about the book. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrei Polgar

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Page`s notability might not meet Wikipedia's standards due to a potential lack of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1976 Aeroflot Yakovlev Yak-40 crash

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: Other than databases, there exists no reliable secondary sources that provide (significant) coverage of the event, no in-depth coverage, no (sustained) continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:COI I have a soft-spot for the Yak-40; it's a pretty little thing that deserved greater success in the wider world.

Anyways - although not especially notable in itself, is this event just one of hundreds of similar articles, and will they go through the same Afd process? Yes, I know, there is a WP: for what I have just done, but see my next point before shooting me down.

One of the reasons for lack of (significant) coverage is surely due to historical censorship in the Soviet Union; in this case their reluctance to acknowledge such aviation ~~crashes~~ accidents? Had this event occurred in the USA, with seven fatalities I am sure it would have been front-page news, and years later spawned an episode of Mayday (Canadian TV series). Was this article always doomed to fail simply because it happened not just in Russia, but in a remote backwater of such a vast country. Where is Ust-kut airport anyway, and does anybody care? But whilst you are there, look at this beauty, steaming out at low-level.

Back on track; there was one part of this accident article that I found most interesting; the aircraft was being used as a freight carrier, not at the end of its career, but in its heyday. It is not what you first think of when you look at the lede image and see those rear-airstairs deployed. The List of accidents and incidents involving the Yakovlev Yak-40 doesn't mention that it was a predominantly cargo flight, and deleting this article would deprive us of that detail. Ok, so I'm clutching at straws now, but there is a real point hidden in that comment.

So, it's a KEEP, pending a response from you (or others) that persuades me to change my mind, which I assure you is a real possibility.

(*) On a separate issue; back in the USSR (!), even though I like to ride my bicycle (I like to ride my bike), I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't be allowed to pedal my agenda incessantly. <coughs>. Ok, that's my way of apologising for interjecting into a conversation between you and third-parties; I am not sure what the correct form is in these cases, although I am rapidly reaching the stage of applying 'do not feed the troll', which seems to be one of the aims of the "project". Maybe I'm Losing My Religion, or maybe I've said too much.

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& (Theatre)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Some of the references are not reliable. Nxcrypto Message 11:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There are other sources easily found, like this one, or this one, to give a couple of examples from the national Finnish broadcasting corporation, in addition to what's already in the article, after a quick search. /Julle (talk) 03:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William Asa Vines

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Not notable business person. Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Offensive in Podrinje (1993)

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After removing unreliable local news portals etc, we are left with citations to two pages of the CIA history. I checked them, and all three of the citations failed verification, the only apparent reference to this fighting being a paragraph fragment as follows: "The VRS Drina Corps attacked again late in May and crushed Muslim forces in the salient , driving them back some 15 kilometers to the Praca River and eliminating the threat to Visegrad . Follow - on attacks from Cajnice in the southeast toward Gorazde itself , however , gained little ground . " on page 185. This isn't significant coverage, and therefore doesn't meet WP:N. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, to be clear i didnt put this sources but i think that this offensive is in one official book, i will try to find and add content in it, if its bad or not proper, then delete the whole thing (just please dont bring opera singer admins to blocc me like in smolucca) Wynnsanity (talk) 15:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone didn't go to geography classes. Podrinje means "on the river Drina" or "next to the Drina" and thus includes the entire region. at the same time, I checked your claims and of course they are fake, if you had entered and edited the pages without bad intentions, you would have seen that on page 186 it is written "The Bosnian Serbs had nevertheless achieved most of their 1993 objectives in the Drina valley and This time Muslim bravery alone was not enough to prevail against the stronger, better organized and better led Serb troops. The text is badly written and the sources are in the wrong place, but I won't say anything because I understand everything about you and I don't want to be blocked because I love Wikipedia. If you would be kind enough to allow me to only summarize the entire Balkan Battlegrounds article here as I did before, I would appreciate it, thank you Sir Wynnsanity (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you keep adding material to articles that is clearly not supported by the sources, then you are clearly not here to build an encyclopaedia. I’m not sure what it is you think you are doing, but it is extremely unhelpful to the encyclopaedia. Please stop doing it, either through this account, meat puppets or IPs. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

??? 1) I only use this account, the fact that other users are not satisfied with you is your problem 2.) I wrote a text that only appears in Balkan Battl. 3.) you have no arguments and never had any 2A00:10:9910:4C01:193C:197E:5B6B:E8CC (talk) 21:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They say, from an IP. With regards especially to your last point, please remember not to make personal attacks. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have tagged the bolded Operation "Prača '93" in the lead as dubious, as the sources listed do not use this name. I have also tagged the goals of the operation given in the lead as failed verification, as the goal of the overall offensive (of which this was a part) was to clear the ARBiH from the Drina valley, but the goals listed in the lead are not given in the sources. As it stands now, the "Operation" section has all the material in Balkan Battlegrounds. It consists of a direct copy and paste of a paragraph on page 390 (this is ok as there is no copyright on US government material such as this). The rest of the article is background and aftermath, which really should not be considered when deciding if this subject is notable. There is probably scope for an article covering all VRS offensive operations around Gorazde and Visegrad between January and June 1993 (which takes up about 2/3rds of a page in BB, but this article is a non-notable subset of those operations in my view, and like many of these newly created articles, appears to be focussed only on the point of view of VRS success instead of a neutral point of view. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Italy Twenty20 International cricketers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rakibul Hasan

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Fails to meet significant coverage criteria. I PRODed this article but then discovered it had already been done in the past so am now AFDing it. Shrug02 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Confusingly, there's also a Rakibul Hasan (cricketer, born 2002) out there who is no more notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Italy Twenty20 International cricketers per WP:ATD. Gheus (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eva Kurowski

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO, WP:SINGER. No indication of significance.Single ref is a profile. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years, never been updated. No coverage. scope_creep^Talk 08:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article hasn't developed since the no-consensus AfD 13 years ago, and the de.wiki one is similar. As far as I can see, the subject continues working, in duo and band with a pianist, Dirk Balthaus; I don't see indication of meeting WP:MUSICBIO. The previous AfD had the unresolved issue of whether the Das Hungertuch Künstlerpreis was sufficient to indicate notability as an author: I notice the de.wiki article on that Prize was itself deleted later in 2012. AllyD (talk) 09:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone with access to the website and/or German-language proficiency help assess these articles from Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung (WAZ): [47][48][49]? These [50][51] seem to be about her book (and an exhibit) on her relationship with her father, artist Walter Kurowski [de]. There are some other WAZ articles that are marked as "local", but I've only included the ones categorized at the city level. Bridget (talk) 01:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a lot to base notability on. It all seems to local news. The book may be notable. I see its published by Rowohlt which is an old established publisher, potentially an indication of a pass as WP:NAUTHOR. I don't think these add up to much. There is a couple of event listings and promo articles for the book. There could be more here though. scope_creep^Talk 04:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Have a Nice Decade: The 70s Pop Culture Box

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I am nominating the article for this box set and its two follow-ups for deletion due to lack of any substantial coverage. The article for the 70s box was restored the other day by an IP editor with the reasoning that because the other two have articles, this should also have one. However, the only source present on the first two articles is an AllMusic review, and the only source on the 90s box set is a mention in a Pitchfork article (which is not primarily about the box set in question). All fail WP:NALBUMS as far as I can tell. The parent article that the 70s box set redirected to prior to today, Have a Nice Day (album series), was redirected to Rhino Entertainment, but that article has no mention of the Have a Nice Day or Decade box sets anymore (and inserting a mention/a focus on this series there would stick out like a sore thumb), so that's why I'm seeking deletion not a redirect. The two additional articles:

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Neutral from the article’s creator.

Were I still in my 40s rather than my 60s, I would object to this article’s deletion, given that I created and worked on it nearly two decades ago, when I went by fantailfan. However, I am no longer an active editor on Wikipedia, and have not been one for well over a decade.

Since the title was reissued at least once despite its unwieldy packaging, I consider it to be eligible for notability. Not least for the historical audio clips interspersed throughout, however annoying they are on repeated listenings. Its follow-ups are less notable: Rhino’s thinking seems to have been that if one clunky multiple disc decade-spanning non-big name popular music survey sells, the only thing to do is to create more clunky multiple disc decade-spanning non-big name popular music surveys.

All the above constitute no argument for keeping the article as it is, but only for its notability. Given a thorough editorial overhaul, I think the article could meet the standards required to keep it available. In late 2024, it is a curio, but still notable.

However again, I am not the one to do it. My music tastes have changed, to classical. I currently contribute my uncompensated list-making energies to Discogs, mainly to transcribe the contents of large classical music box sets. I no longer have the time or inclination to edit this article into shape.

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The La Donnas

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Fails WP:NBAND. Been on the cat:nn list for more than 10+ years. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 08:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - They have a two-sentence biography at AllMusic ([52]) and a regional newspaper article ([53]), but that's all I can find beyond the usual streaming services and occasional blog posts. They're kind of close to notability but can't quite meet the WP:THREE standard for reliable sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added 11 reviews directly to the article [54]; though mostly underground publications, the sample at least includes some of the more notable ones (Maximum Rocknroll) and from two continents. I'm curious to see if there is any newspapers.com coverage (which is not working at the moment.) Geschichte (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are they WP:MUSICRS references, as a lot of them looks small blogs and profiles. scope_creep^Talk 15:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any of them are blogs, but some of them are zines. Also I would have liked for the Allmusic review, for instance (and the Allmusic bio) to be a lot longer. Geschichte (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep sources identified by doomsdayer520 are a good start and Geschichte has found a number of reviews in a variety of sources, some of which are RSMUSIC. Sufficient presented here to presume notability. ResonantDis_tortion 23:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tomohiro Hatta

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BLP. No indication of signifance. BLP prod removed. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 07:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't see anything on .jp websites, other than recitals or music shops/CD's to buy. I'm not sure this person is notable due to a lack of any sort of critical review. Oaktree b (talk) 16:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The page was created by User:Vieiraricardopt, who is mentioned on the page. Clearly self-promo or promo by Hatta and Vieira's agent. Apocheir (talk) 17:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Picture (string theory)

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Seems to fail WP:NOTDICTIONARY, most references seem to be reproducing this article. Plus, unsourced since 2009. But I'd appreciate someone who knows more about the topic chiming in. Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into RNS formalism. The idea of a picture and associated picture-changing operators exists in string theory. Here are two articles that discuss the concept Geometrical framework for picture changing operators in the pure spinor formalism, Picture changing operators in supergeometry and superstring theory and a review paper that discusses it Integral Forms and Applications. I'm not sure if this rises to the level of a notable topic. Merging into the article RNS formalism, the representation where pictures were first described, would be a possibility, but it is not a perfect target. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 11:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect or Delete No references means no content should be merged. Since RNS formalism say nothing about "picture" delete would be fine for now.

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BRT Kuching

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Article does not satisfy notability, no significant coverage of the plan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N niyaz (talk • contribs) 10:34, November 28, 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to the main article Kuching Urban Transportation System. — Maile (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tarneit Plains, Victoria

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This article's existence is based on a false premise. Tarneit Plains is not a suburb of Victoria, as claimed in the article. An official map of suburbs in the City of Melton can be found at [55] (linked from [56]) and there is no entry for Tarneit Plains. There is a "Precinct Structure Plan" called Tarneit Plains, but PSPs do not correspond to suburbs and are rarely article-worthy. Redirection is not a suitable option as the article title is formatted like a place name, when there is no such place. This, that and the other (talk) 09:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The sources do not show that "The suburb was gazetted and approved by the Victorian government in 2017." Tarneit Plains is not on the City of Melton list of suburbs or the Land Use Victoria locality maps. Steelkamp (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Čapljina

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The "Flow of the operation" section of this article, which concerns the actual subject of this article, is unsourced. The comprehensive CIA history of the Balkan conflicts of the 90s, Balkan Battlegrounds mentions this operation only in passing, in fact in a footnote, not even in the body text. Another article of dubious notability created by new accounts that have popped up in the last few months. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Another poorly sourced page by its creator. Mztourist (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Auto Parts Warehouse

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Not notable. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. The company hasn’t received significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. The existing references only include primary sources and self-promotional articles. The sources I’ve found through further searches are limited to primary sources (press releases, financial reports), promotional material, passing mentions, company profiles. The article appears to serve a promotional purpose, focusing on advertising the company rather than providing encyclopedic, neutral content. Maxvolt (talk) 09:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect to CarParts.com. Graywalls (talk) 14:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to CarParts.com, see section 2020, APW was merged into CarParts.com in May of that year. — Maile (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Hrasnica (1992)

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The "Course of the battle" section of this article is essentially unsourced, which means that the notability of the entire article is in doubt. I have looked at the two books used as sources, and neither have any mention of this battle, and a Google Books search has likewise failed to find anything. I deleted local news portal sources, as 30 years after the conflict, if this "battle" was going to be documented, it would have been by now. Another dubious article created by one of the several new accounts that have popped up in the space in the last six months. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that I searched the comprehensive CIA history of the wars, Balkan Battlegrounds, and it also have no mention of this "battle". Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Creator seems to have created many similar pages. Mztourist (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Byzantine–Sasanian Wars

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This article does not yet justify its own existence independent of either Roman–Persian Wars (A-class) or any of the individual articles it merely transcludes material from. This is purely extra surface area we don't need unless it justifies itself somehow. Remsense ‥ 论 08:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose no reason to delete the article, it highlights an important time period unrelated to the classical Roman Empire, in fact such an article should have appeared a long time ago and here it is. The problem with transferring content can be solved in another way without deleting the article.

Dushnilkin (talk) 14:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support deletion Each of the wars in the primary topic already have their own WP:SPINOUT articles. I see no reason why they need to have 3 or more articles to cover the same topic. This is how contradictory presentation and editing proliferates, and quality degrades.

There's also a List of Greco-Persian Wars#Byzantine Empire article that's been created in July 2024. So that makes four or more articles for each topic, respectively. This article is also problematic because it deviates from Greco-Persian Wars, which refers to pre-Roman wars between Greeks and Persians. I request this article also be deleted. The relevant table lists may be included within the "Roman–Persian Wars" and "Greco–Persian Wars" articles. DA1 (talk) 13:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Branko Pantelić

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Fails WP:BIO as subject has no notability, no WP:ANYBIO pass and lacks WP:RS. Seems like WP:NOTMEMORIAL breach. Mztourist (talk) 08:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mizanur Rahaman

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The sources provided do not demonstrate that the subject meets the criteria outlined in WP:GNG or the specific guidelines under WP:SNG for Academics. Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: References are mostly column writings by the subject themselves (More likely a biography). other references are not enough to establish the subject as Notable.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 16:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not notable. Portal cbnbd.com is obscure, with no reputation for accuracy or fact checking. The tone of the article there ("Deprived of his father's love, this bright child of Varuakhali grew up with poverty as a blessing. Like a forest, the human society continues to grow above all the surrounding barriers ...") does not ring of reliability. The Japanese piece is tagged as a paid article, and the other three sources are written by the subject. Searches of the usual types found nothing better about this Mizanur Rahaman. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild

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Fails WP:GNG, lack of credible sources. Cites are all blog sources. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - The main problem is sources. There is a chance of better sources being out there. Sushidude21! (talk) 07:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable student theatre group that apparently produces one show per year, for one weekend. See WP:MILL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Ssilvers. Only a few news articles about this group appeared when I searched the internet, and they were all outdated, going back to 2014 and before. While such news articles exist, they're mostly from PEP.ph and only discuss the events the group held in those years, which I think is insufficient to establish WP:SIGCOV of the group as a whole. AstrooKai (Talk) 19:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AstrooKai, Wikipedia:Notability is not temporary, so "outdated" sources still count. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila, of which this organization is a part. The merged material should be very brief – possibly no more than "Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild is a theatre group on campus" – but enough that future editors won't start an RFD because it's "not mentioned". WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila since this article fails WP:GNG. There isn't any WP:SIGCOV, so a standalone article is not warranted at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gilman Louie

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non-notable person who created an article about themselves. 1keyhole (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The article has been expanded since creation, and Gilmanl's current authorship is around 3%, so I'm not too concerned there. Notability is the bigger concern. The coverage in The Christian Science Monitor is significant, reliable (see WP:CSMONITOR), secondary, and independent. Finding a second source is harder. Most other sources the article cites are not independent, unless the government [57] counts as independent. A Vox article [58] I found may have significant enough coverage, or it may not. More than one sentence addresses Louie directly. Regardless, being on the Foreign Affairs Policy Board might mean WP:NPOL applies. I'm at a weak keep for now. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 07:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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weak keep: This is from an old magazine [59], with the Christian Science Monitor, should have enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not sure if this is the same person [60], was involved in Tetris coming to popularity. Oaktree b (talk) 16:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grema Sulaiman

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All the sources Fail WP: GNG. Being a director of a non-notable organization does not count toward WP:SNG. Ibjaja055 (talk) 05:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep subject is of high notability in the Federal Republic of Nigeria. He is a prominent energy figure who advocated for the establishment of key energy initiatives, including the Nigeria Energy Transition Fund (NET-FUND), an innovative financing model to propel Nigeria’s energy transition, which acquired $2bn in Foreign Direct Investment into the country. He is a well-known figure in Nigeria and in the Nigerian energy industry at large.

While an editor claims that the Centre for Energy Investment and Innovation (an organization the subject leads) lacks notability, this does/should not diminish the subject's recognition/notability. Reputable sources such as Vanguard, Premium Times, and This Day have consecutively reported about the subject. See [61] and [62] [63] [64].

The article may require improvement and minor edits, but this should not serve as a ground for deletion. Instead, it should be seen as an opportunity to expand the article and provide more context, keeping in mind that a lack of citations should not automatically lead to deletion unless it severely impacts the article's verifiability. Gonisulaimann (talk) 21:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Being associated with notable individuals or organizations does not automatically make a subject notable. Most of the sources, if not all, do not explicitly discuss the topic, although they are reliable. However, they are not independent, and the article fails to meet both the General Notability Guideline WP:GNG and the Subject Specific Notability Guideline WP:SNG.Royalesignature (talk). 05:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Thanks for providing all these references but kindly note that most of the provided references are dependent of the subject and mostly of subject opinion. Royalesignature (talk). 05:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The subject meets the notability guidelines under WP:GNG due to significant independent coverage in reputable sources as the initial editor stressed. The article should be improved instead of deleted. These links may help in better referencing. [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] Agballer (talk) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Agbaballer (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.
Delete: Bypassed AfC. None of these sources has an in-depth coverage about this subject nor is there any significant coverage about him. This WP:WALLOFTEXTs does not fix the issue either. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Bombarded with references to pretend to be notable, that's not what we want. I have also tagged Agbaballer's !vote above as a canvassed !voter, because you cannot possibly edit English Wikipedia lastly on 31 October 2023 and then come in November 2024 to "cast a vote" in an AfD. This is not a poll. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, it is observed that Agbaballer originally added a comment and not a keep vote, I have no idea why @Cameremote: changed the comment to a keep !vote. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I purely did that out of editor's curiosity and that does not in any way relate to canvassing or enticing. You can check my log, i have been blanking this page and other related pages to get accustomed to how Wikipedia works, as i have never encountered an AFD Discussion (which i understand is against the guidelines). As per the user Agbaballer, i have no affiliations with him/her. I will advise to disengage from unnecessary accusations or assumptions. @Hello Pookie :)
Cameremote (talk) 23:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameremote Hello, I must admit I struggled to understand the points you raised above. However, it is clear that you made this edit, which altered Agbaballer's comment into what appeared as a "keep" !vote until Reading Beans reinstated it. To reiterate, Agbaballer is undoubtedly a canvassed user, and there's no disputing this. My original delete rationale already provides a detailed justification for this position.

Please keep in mind that English Wikipedia is not a platform for trivial discussions or games; it operates with a high degree of seriousness and professionalism. I would kindly ask that we avoid debating over what is plainly evident. Thank you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Before concluding on anything, kindly re-check the article's references. To me, the subject seems decently notable given the provided context. All references point to his position held starting from appointment. The initial nominator argued that (Being a director of a non-notable organization). In this case, I argue that as far as the subject's notability is established, the institution or organization he/he leads should not directly diminish the subject's recognition/notability. There are instances here on Wikipedia where a subject is directly tied to a non-notable organization, yet their information is not brought down. The same ideology should be applied here because the subject's notability is established independently. Hence, The article passes WP:NG and WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 01:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC) struck double !vote. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 02:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Reading Beans did @Cameremote deleted their previous vote? I can only see where they added a comment then a keep vote here and not two votes as you claimed. Tesleemah (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tesleemah, Did you see this? Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 10:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotten that!

They changed username recently as I was seeing Gonisulaiman and Cameremote Tesleemah (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding change of name, i did that to avoid conflict of interest and to stay neutral. Cameremote (talk) 11:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine Tesleemah (talk) 16:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per Wikipedia's AfD policy, I did not cast two separate votes. My second "Keep" was a further clarification of my initial vote, which was originally intended as a comment. If reviewed properly, it demonstrates an elaboration of my reasoning from the first phase to the relisted phase, which is allowed under AfD procedures.

"If an editor does so, they should provide clear reasoning for their change of opinion. This could be seen as a clarification or expansion of their initial vote rather than casting a new vote."

So I'm just basically re-iterating my stance and this does not imply a second vote. Cameremote (talk) 11:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Davide Lombardi

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A draft that was moved into mainspace. It's mostly sourced with press releases. A WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV (barely). There definitely needs to be some serious pruning of bad promotional sources and writing, reformatting of the article, editing for encyclopedic tone, etc. However, there are four articles among the references which are independent significant coverage about Davide Lombardi; three of which are in the LightSoundJournal, which is a professional publication for light and audio engineers, and one of which is from an Italian media source. He works as a sound engineer for notable artists, so I am leaning on the keep side.4meter4 (talk) 03:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 That's a valid point; however, a reminder to anyone else reading this that Lombardi doesn't inherit notability from the people he works with. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His notability comes through his work within his business. From the references you can see he is one of the most successful people in his own business, hence the amount of interviews and big Artists names that employ him for major projects, similar to most articles with notable knowledge, but yet not in the mainstream of press like TV stars. if that makes sense? Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 09:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 Getting interviewed and working with big stars don't mean you qualify for a Wikipedia article (or, to speak Wikipedian, whether or not you're "notable). Of course, whether or not you qualify is separate from whether or not you're doing important work. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the point. The idea is to make notable to the mainstream, who is already notable, but doing a different job from music/movie stars or similars. I agree working with big Artists doesn't mean to qualify for a Wikipedia article, but simply proves his knowledge and notable position within business. There are many articles that are in similar position (studio/live sound engineers, producers, musicians). As example, looking at Antony King sound engineer Wikipedia article, who has similar (and probably less) references from the same independent coverage. This is good to expand knowledge of live sound engineering, as people like me that loves concerts and understands basics about audio, appreciates and follows what some of these people are capable to create amazing live events for us all. thank you for the discussion. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 I've gone ahead and nominated the Antony King article for deletion as well; as I said in the nomination, at the very least, the article may need to be shortened significantly, and at most, deleted.

This is why people are advised to not point out that other articles exist; the "other articles" they end up pointing out usually aren't that great, either. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete They are all interviews - and in trade media, at that. The other sources are blogs or references to events where the subject has worked. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. it is good to point out that as well as interviews, there are dedicated articles to Davide Lombardi and they are all from independent significant coverage Worldwide, USA, UK, Germany Italy to name the most relevant ones. We can see on Wikipedia similar subjects with less references from similar sources. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably worth to mention his notoriety is acclaimed by being an international award winner from ProsoundNews, while also nominated twice from TPi Awards from TPiMagazine, by MondialeMedia. They are both two of the most prestigious international prizes in audio engineering. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 10:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wedding customs by country

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Wedding customs by country is too unwieldy and too vague to be useful to anyone Drew Stanley (talk) 06:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gina F. Acosta

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Fails WP:NPOL. A staff member at the Office of the Vice President of the Philippines does not count toward WP:NPOL Ibjaja055 (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Multiple secondary sources such as The Philippine Star, Daily Tribune and GMA News Online have covered this government official from the Office of the Vice President (OVP). The OVP's questionable use of confidential funds under VP Sara Duterte has been among the top issues discussed in Philippine politics this year, if not the topmost (alongside tensions in the South China Sea and the POGO menace), and much of the Philippine media has been extensively covering the hearings conducted on this matter by the House Committee on Good Government in the past few months ([73][74][75][76][77]).

On November 5, Acosta was among the seven OVP officials who issued a position letter asking that the house congressional inquiry into their budget use be terminated ([78]), and by November 11 was among the four OVP officials ordered arrested based on a contempt citation issued by the committee for their non-attendance at the hearings ([79]). During the November 20 hearing, OVP chief of staff Zuleika T. Lopez and a branch manager of Land Bank of the Philippines gave testimonies that pinpointed Acosta as the OVP official who directly handled the confidential funds of the vice president ([80][81]). The varied independent coverage cited in this paragraph alone, in my view, merits notability for the article; further coverage in the media is also anticipated in the aftermath of the testimonies given in the Nov. 20 hearing. LionFosset (talk) 06:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LionFosset All the sources you mentioned are good but they do not count toward WP:GNG sources. The subject fails Wikipedia criteria for politician and non WP:GNG sources cannot be used for WP: SIGCOV. Please read more about WP:NPOL. Ibjaja055 (talk) 06:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This person has not ran for public office i.e. not a politician, so I don't know how WP:NPOL applies. She appears to be more of a career civil servant or a bureaucrat. This person is notable for one event which is on Sara Duterte's alleged corruption, so the best solution is to merge and redirect this with the article that discusses that, or if that doesn't exist, transform this BLP article to such an article. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck That's an insightful suggestion. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck You took the words right out of my mouth: Acosta is not a politican. Though I concede to the fact that the person is largely notable for one event so far (i.e. Onel de Guzman, a private citizen who created the ILOVEYOU virus), numerous secondary sources have covered the person not just as a probable participant in Duterte's unusual confidential fund use from 2022 to 2023, but as a government official ordered to be arrested after she was cited in contempt for her continuous absence from house committee hearings in spite of two subpoenas ([82][83][84][85]). LionFosset (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LionFosset All the sources you provided do not count toward WP:GNG because they lack the WP:SIGCOV of the subject. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will continue to give arguments on this matter soon, but I am posting here for reference (and maybe posterity) some stunning developments that just occurred within the past 24 hours in Philippine politics (1. VP Duterte refuses to leave the House of Rep. detention center holding her chief of staff Zuleika Lopez; 2. VP Duterte goes on a tirade against the House committee hearings and curses at President Marcos, his wife and House Speaker Romualdez, claiming to have already spoken with a contract killer to target them in the event she herself is assassinated; 3. VP Chief of Staff Zuleika Lopez faints from an anxiety attack at 3 a.m. and is brought from the detention center to a hospital; 4. Executive Sec. Lucas Bersamin deems VP Duterte's statements an "active threat" against the administration). LionFosset (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the more reason to merge and redirect as per my argument above. What's notable is what's happening, not her. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am considering moving the current article or redirecting this BLP to a new article entitled 2024 Philippine congressional hearings on Sara Duterte, or to Mary Grace Piattos scandal. This is similar with what the proponents in Talk:Alice Guo#Requested move 24 May 2024 on moving that article to "2023–2024 Bamban raids", only that it was overtaken by the fact that Guo had surely attained notability and deserves a biographical article, unlike this person, or the pawns of Sara Duterte, the Marcoses, Romualdezes and everyone else. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck: I would be amenable to this, actually. However, use the former title (with some tweaking), not the latter. "Mary Grace Piattos" is just one of the many details questioned in the confidential fund use by the OVP. LionFosset (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Acosta falls ill during the Nov. 25 budget hearing (and brought out of the premises to VMMC with VP Duterte in tow) after admitting that she disbursed the confidential funds to the VP Security Chief in 2022-2023 on Duterte's orders. She is the second VP aide to faint and be brought to VMMC after Lopez. Humorous note: The Akbayan Partylist memefied the Duterte-Acosta photo. LionFosset (talk) 18:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning towards a merge and redirect. She only got significant coverage because of the current issue with Sara Duterte. But on her own, there might not be much justification to have a separate article about her. ---Tito Pao (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Another editor attempted to create a deletion nomination for Zuleika T. Lopez, a different bureaucrat under the vice president, by copying the nomination template at the top of this article. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The editor has the username "Ovp.mprd", which is likely indicative of an affiliation with the Media and Public Relations Division (MPRD) of the Office of the Vice President of the Philippines (OVP). The user's attempts to directly attach deletion nominations to both the Zuleika Lopez article and the Gina Acosta article would go against WP:COIEDIT. LionFosset (talk) 06:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshimitsu

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The reception section is a mess of listicles and "anything not nailed down" types of articles. While there can be some degree of commentary gleamed for Yoshimitsu, it's brief and often repetitive. Even checking sources I've used in the past for Soulcalibur characters doesn't offer much at all. There's just no meat on this bone that I can find. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Honestly, I'm leaning forward to being neutral in this situation. I feel like there's a chance the character might be notable since they have been involved in two fighting game franchises and have almost appeared in every main game of each franchise and gone through multiple distinct designs. Otherwise, the best source I could find about Yoshimitsu is [86]. These sources might also help [87], [88], [89], [90], and [91]. Aside from that, this character has three incarnations throughout the Tekken and Soulcalibur franchises, so if the character information is going to be merged, then the Tekken version of Yoshimitsu should be merged in Characters of the Tekken series, and the Soulcalibur version of Yoshimitsu should be merged in Characters of the Soulcalibur series. Kazama16 (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Den of Geek one is the strongest source coupled with Jasper's commentary on the Tekken character ranking list. The main problem though is that the Game Rant and CGMag refs are echoes of some of the commentary from that one on the designs and could be summed up as "his appearance changes frequently", PushSquare is basically death battle commentary in this case, and The Gamer and 3DPrint refs are both about fan works (I checked to see if the designer on the latter had some notability that could help but no dice). I feel there may not be enough actually said for SIGCOV when the sources are lined up is my concern.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Just not notable. The WP:GNG is clearly failed here. If this page is redirected, it should be moved and the DAB made primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per others. Very little SIGCOV and a very clear-cut case of not much notability existing for him. I'd redirect Yoshimitsu (Soulcalibur) and Yoshimitsu (Tekken) to their respective character lists, since he's a character of two different franchises, and redirect Yoshimitsu (No distinction) to the DAB page to be the primary topic, per Zx. Both lists just redirect to his article, so content will need to be merged to them for the information to be retained. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Kazama16's sources. Den of Geek (both of them) and CGmagonline are the strongest sources. Those two, plus GamesRadar and Bloody Disgusting and Game Rant, which all discuss his design and unorthodox fighting style, compared to other fighting game characters, may also be of some help. The more trivial sources can definitely be trimmed down, but overall, I feel this isn't redirect-worthy. I can see this being a Voldo type of situation, where most of the notability comes from his "freakish" design and unorthodox fighting style. MoonJet (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isolated, the Bloody Disgusting source would be good...but it's just saying the same thing as the CMag and previous Game Rant sources. Much like there's only so many times you can say "this character is sexy" in an article, "this character is freaky" starts to get repetitive fast.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per others. This is borderline, but merge is a good WP:ATD that will WP:PRESERVE this in case better sources come along later. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Sartre

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Fails WP:GNG. No WP:SIGCOV from secondary sources that shows notability. Demt1298 (talk) 02:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Draftify - Doesn't entirely establish notability. Needs better sources and better info. Too many red links, suggesting that not notable
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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She is the subject of a number of profiles including Las Vegas Weekly, Jezebel, and Paper. She's also discussed in several academic sources as seen from a Google Scholar search: [92]. I think there is enough to meet GNG. Thriley (talk) 04:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There is a mix of moderate and trivial mentions, from databases or entertainment platforms that focus on her work rather than her broader impact. However, given the combination of in-depth interviews, mainstream coverage (Stern), and critical industry coverage from Las Vegas Weekly, Adult DVD Talk, the subject passes WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify. Not seeing a keep on sources now there. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are two articles from the Daily Beast which detail Sartre: How Porn Made These Women Feel Empowered: ‘It Gave Me a New Sense of Confidence’ and The Rise of Video Conferencing Quarantine Porn. Thriley (talk) 20:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Melissa Tan

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Other than winning the national Miss Universe in 2006, nothing of note can be found on her since then. – robertsky (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. We certainly don't have to accept this because it is just an essay, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Notability (beauty pageant participants) states that national pageant winners in the big four pageants (of which Miss Universe is one) are generally presumed to be notable. Meaning that its likely WP:SIGCOV exists. Given the year she won, it is possible the coverage was more offline than online as it was in the weird time period where everything hadn't yet shifted over even though the internet was up and running. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well... I tried doing WP:BEFORE through wikipedia library, and could only find two articles in 2007:
- Civic thrill for beauty queen: [New Sunday Times Edition]
Summary: About her purchase of Honda Civic.
- Celeb style [Malay Mail]
Summary: Interview about her fashion style.
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I’m not surprised. The pageant would have not been covered in the UK or the United States but would have been covered in Southeast Asia. The best sources are probably offline (at that time; maybe digitized now?) newspapers in Malaysia, and I don’t believe most are available through The Wikipedia Library.4meter4 (talk) 05:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above two articles were accessed through ProQuest in The Wikipedia Library and are from the two of the major newspapers in the country at that time. – robertsky (talk) 06:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and they are both English sources which tends to cover a different type of content scope targeted more toward English speaking expats. I would expect better coverage in the Maylay language papers.4meter4 (talk) 06:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Passes WP:NBEAUTY. However, according to 4meter4, while she won in 2006 and media coverage may not have been as active at the time, it is likely that most of the coverage was offline. I have found a supporting reference here: China Daily, which cites Reuters as the original source.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary M. Hymes

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The sources Fail General Notability Guide and specific Notability Guidelines for WP:ANYBIO Ibjaja055 (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Coverage from current sources does not seem signficant. One nomination for Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Stunt Coordination does not satisfy WP:ANYBIO. A cursory Google search turned up an LA Times article involving Hymes [93], but the coverage of Hymes himself is not significant. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 05:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable stunt coordinator and meets WP:GNG, his Primetime Emmy Award nomination is notable [94][95]. He has coverage in Newspapers.com, Movie stunt men at Hardy Bridge, and The Los Angeles Times article is still a good source [96] but the article is actually more longer in Newspapers.com, Just call him 'The Publisher'. Those two Newspapers.com sources help show that he does meet WP:GNG and that he's notable. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nileena Abraham

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Despite winning an award - which many translators appear to win and that does not inherently make them eligible for a Wikipedia article – I am concerned that this subject does not meet WP:GNG. The citations are all primary or unreliable and I can't find any other reliable sources that cover the subject in a significant way.

Please assume good faith in this nomination. It's nothing personal! Thanks everyone. Missvain (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~. Would having been the Dr. Suniti Kumar Chatterji Professor of Bengali at the International School of Dravidian Linguistics, Thiruvananthapuram count as a named chair for the purposes of meeting WP:PROF? Also is the Who's who of Indian Writers, 1999: A-M considered completely unreliable? (Although the Google Books link given is incorrect, the subject does appear on pp. 7–8.[97]) Espresso Addict (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would find it very odd for someone with only Master's degrees to hold a C5-qualifying named chair. And the school isn't even notable itself! JoelleJay (talk) 02:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
JoelleJay I think it's easy to become very US/UK centric with these named chairs.

On the question of GNG, I found a substantial material on Abraham in JSTOR .5325/complitstudies.53.2.0359, which has substantive (~3pp) coverage of her work translating Arogyaniketan by Tarashankar Bandyopadhyay, with some bio material. Considered together with the award, and Who's Who entry, and given that the above source is talking about work in 1961 and not in English, I feel that further expert research offline by someone who speaks the relevant languages is likely to uncover more material, so I'm going with keep. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Espresso Addict who has has convinced me that this person meets WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [98], [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [104], [105], [106], [107]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:POTENTIAL. The article already has at least one reliable source, and a Google search brings up several industry specific sources.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: TOOSOON I think. Source 2 is the only RS about this person that's an article, not just a PR item or a race result. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois Farm Bureau

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WP:BEFORE reveals no ostensible notability. Article is almost exclusively unsourced and written by the organization themselves (user 'Ilfb1916' clearly violates WP:ISU and implies this is the subject itself), being functionally a billboard instead of a resource with any encyclopedic merit. IP editor who removed PROD did so under the justification of "Useful links and relevance due to member and partner organizations", but this is complete nonsense as it pertains to notability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, this is an interesting kettle of fish. On the one hand, we would presumably have a clear example of what WP:BRANCH was intended for; failing to find sources outside of the branch unit's area of operation, we would redirect to the parent organization. On the other hand, on this very day the American Farm Bureau Federation kicked the Illinois Farm Bureau out of the federation over a membership/business dispute, and as of December the state bureau will not have a parent organization, litigation and backroom dealing pending. I don't see any WP:SIGCOV of the organization in non-WP:TRADES publications separate from this dispute, and that coverage is all in agricultural trade publications and local news outlets in small Illinois markets. In the absence of an WP:NORG pass and without an appropriate WP:BRANCH redirect target, I'd have to !vote delete. Open to an WP:IAR redirect to American Farm Bureau Federation too. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Uh... Wow. I was not expecting this to take that direction. The WP:BEFORE I'd done for this organization was two days ago, so this wasn't even on my radar when I nominated it. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. According to the NPR story given already above the IFB is the largest insurer of farms in the state of Illinois. It's a significant company with a lengthy history. There is significant coverage in the following including a book about the company:

Nancy K. Berlage. "Organizing the Farm Bureau: Family, Community, and Professionals, 1914-1928" Agricultural History, Vol. 75, No. 4 (Autumn, 2001), pp. 406-437 (32 pages) https://www.jstor.org/stable/3745183
Farmers Helping Farmers: The Rise of the Farm and Home Bureaus, 1914-1935 (2016, Louisiana State University Press)
Dan Leifel and Norma Haney. The Diamond Harvest: A History of the Illinois Farm Bureau (Bloomington: Illinois Agricultural Association, 1990).
Cynthia Clampitt. Mid- west Maize: How Corn Shaped the U.S. Heartland (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2015).
Additionally JSTOR has 240 hits when searching on the "Illinois Farm Bureau" and there are more than 9,000 hits in PROQUEST with lots of SIGCOV news coverage across many decades. Sourcing and WP:ORGCRIT is not an issue here. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some thoughts on these sources:

The first two (the Agricultural History article and the LSU Press book) are both by the same author, Nancy Berlage. Collectively these would count as one source (since they are not intellectually independent of each other).
Dan Leifel and Norma Maney both worked for the Illinois Farm Bureau for decades, Leifel as general counsel and Maney as an executive assistant. Their history of the IFB cannot be considered an independent source.
Can you point to what in the Clampitt book refers to the Illinois Farm Bureau? I can't access the text but the snippets available via Google Books indicate it's only index mentions, not WP:SIGCOV. Would be happy to be proven wrong if you can share how Clampitt discusses the subject. (If it was pulled from this Illinois historiography article, it's clear the author is talking about the Maney and Leifel book, not saying Clampitt covered the IFB in her book: Agriculture remains a critical part of the Illinois economy. A recent centennial history of the Illinois Farm Bureau offers a broad look at state agriculture including the post World War II period. Cynthia Clampitt wrote a history of midwestern corn production that includes work on Illinois.)
The "NPR" story I linked above is actually a local radio story from an NPR affiliate and doesn't pass the WP:AUD test.
I paged through many of the JSTOR listings and didn't find any additional WP:SIGCOV. Apart from the Berlage article above, they all appear to be WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS.

Based on this analysis, I see only one WP:SIRS source to pass WP:NORG. Open to reviewing more if you can supply additional examples. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: The history from the ProQuest article is fine, this talks about the Bureau [108] as well. just barely enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Some coverage about a legal dispute with the Bureau and the national federation [109]... This has a ton of hits in Gnews, but most are smaller news outlets or farmer news information sites... Oaktree b (talk) 16:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Domain authority

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Aazingly outdated article for something that seems at core to be based on one company's ("Moz") proprietary product.

The article ttself makes this clear:

"The software as a service company Moz.org has developed an algorithm and weighted level metric, branded as "Domain Authority", which gives predictions on a website's performance in search engine rankings with a discriminating range from 0 to 100".

Search doesn't work this way any more, and almost all the references cited are incredibly outdated; the thing described doesn't really exist any more, algorithms have moved on. There is probably an article to be written on site reputation, but this isn't it. — The Anome (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close per WP:WRONGFORUM. I don’t think this is something we can handle at AFD because it requires expert opinion and original analysis based on expertise rather than an evaluation of sources based on WP:N or WP:Deletion policy. It is essentially a content decision more akin to a content dispute than to notability issue. I would suggest working with editors on the talk page and discussing how to handle this or contacting a relevant WikiProject to enlist editors on reworking or repurposing the article. A move discussion might be in order at that time to your suggestion of site reputation. I don’t think AFD is the right pathway to address these issues. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Domain Authority is a thing, and (contrary to the above) it is still current, with multiple recent sources discussing it. The sources currently in the article range from not-too-old to definitely-dated, so the article needs updating, but AfD is not about editing, it's about notability, which isn't in doubt here. I might also remind editors that "once notable, always notable". Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Here

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Non notable YouTuber with noting close to notability requirement. Majority of the sources are primary to his YouTube videos and websites announcing events. Wanted to put it up for CSD A7 but thought that bringing it here for general discussion will be better Mekomo (talk) 05:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage in RS that I can find, most of the sources used in the article are primary or in non-RS. Don't quite seem to have notability for this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete: Quickly fails on WP:A7 citing YouTube are not reliable sources. Royiswariii Talk! 22:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG, Most of the sources in the article are unreliable. Baqi:) (talk) 14:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel B. Matthews

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This article has been toned down over the years but still seems decidedly promotional. "Here, Dan attained his M.B.A. in a mere 8 months, specializing in Marketing and Business Management. He managed to do this. while working two jobs at the same time" Everything is sourced to an article from his university's alumni association, and I'm skeptical that this is independent. That article certainly reads like a subject-provided biography.

The claims of notability are that he was a Senior Vice President at Northwest Airlines and won "North American Deal of the Year Award in 2006" and "AirFinance Lifetime Achievement Award in 2003". "North American Deal of the Year Award" gets under 30 total Google results, with conflicting information about who gives it, and none of the sources seem particularly reliable. When I google "AirFinance Lifetime Achievement Award" the only results are this guy's Wikipedia article and college alumni articles, and a random person's Linkedin bio. These do not seem like notable awards. Here2rewrite (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Agree this is definitely promotional. Sources 1, 2, and 3 are all the same "Daniel Matthews 76' - Alumni Achievement Award 07" page from his university alumni publication. Almost word-for-word. The Source #4 is a university news release that announces at the very bottom that Matthews will receive the "Lewis University Distinguished Alumni Award" — Maile (talk) 05:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: PROMO, could likely be speedied... I don't see notability, with zero coverage found. Oaktree b (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2009–10 FC Nistru season

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stub not currently fit for mainspace and no evidence of notability Microwave Anarchist (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Article on the beginnings of the project. Svartner (talk) 09:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All the other teams have pages of similar quality. See the navbox Geschichte (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geschichte: - I am well aware, listing this individually because I have been told not to bundle nominations for different clubs' seasons. I will likely list those too if there is consensus to delete. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 02:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea. 98% of bundled nominations go awry. If this page goes down, maybe similar ones can be prodded Geschichte (talk) 09:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Lowery

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See previous AFD. Still not notable. UtherSRG (talk) 03:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No WP:SIGCOV outside poker sites. Many of the references were clearly reference stuffing. The author seems to be on a crusade to write an article for every poker player who has ever won a tournament, but really, these people aren't WP:NOTABLE outside a very narrow field. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails the Wikipedia General notability criteria (WP:GNG). Baqi:) (talk) 15:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snooze (Agust D song)

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Do not believe this passes NSONG. Charting is almost certainly too little (Vietnam Hot 100 page doesn't even verify it's charting; this page does, but that the sourced page doesn't even go past the top 25 of the chart suggests non-notability of the peak position), and the rest of the sourcing is album reviews which all barely mention the song specifically and a database page. Redirect to D-Day (album). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the song has charted on several national charts (Japan Oricon, Billboard Japan, Billboard Vietnam Hot 100, United States Billboard Digital Song Sales) which is a criteria for WP:NSONG. In addition, there is likely enough coverage in existence to expand the article to be more than the stub it is right now. RachelTensions (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, well-sourced article, Top 20 in Japan, clearly meets WP:NSONG. 162 etc. (talk) 04:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the album per NSONG: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." The only other sources being unimpressive appearances in chart statistics is a very low bar and should be ignored. Tag the redirect as having possibilities. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 10:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think the WP:NSONG criteria is being met, as exemplified by RachelTensions. The article could also easily be expanded. - Ïvana (talk) 03:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The discussion of charting in NSONG is about establishing if a song might be notable, not that it is; charting itself is not not a criterion for being notable. WP:NALBUMS too outlines that charting is only an indication that a recording may be notable, not that it is. At this time, the article is two sentences, supported by three reviews of the song's parent album, and its genre stated in the infobox just failed verification in its source. @RachelTensions and Ïvana: you both talk about expanding the article to meet the actual criterion of NSONG; I'd like to see your proposed additions. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 04:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seth Hill

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No signifigant coverage in any reliable and secondary sources. There are only sources briefly mentioning awards that Hill has been nominated for. No biographical details. Sebbog13 (talk) 01:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets 4C of WP:CREATIVE "won significant critical attention" as an Oscar nominee, for his notable work on Top Gun: Maverick, starring Tom Cruise. He was also nominated for a BAFTA Award for Top Gun: Maverick and a Primetime Emmy Award for his work on Stranger Things. He definitely has reliable and secondary sources on him [110]. His oscar nomination sources [111][112][113][114]. His emmy nomination sources [115]. There are biographical details where he leads Method Studios along with two other people [116][117]. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 02:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per the information and links provided above by User:MoviesandTelevisionFan. — Maile (talk) 02:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, unless I'm mistaken an Oscar nominee attains notability. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was told to AfD it on the discord. - Sebbog13 (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You were told? Does that mean you don't really want it deleted? Geschichte (talk) 09:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clickwheel

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Was deleted before in 2006, still doesn't seem to meet GNG. Though I don't want this to be deleted either, I think this needs to be. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emmanuel Savary

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Non-notable figure skater; does not even come close to meeting the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Includes two local publications; I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jadden, Indiana

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According to Baker, a post office named after the postmaster. Nothing much there exacpt a couple of houses, so no reason to beleive it was more than that. Mangoe (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Los Juglares del Dexas

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The previous discussion was closed for soft deletion, however, the reason it was restored was due to the previous nominator being a sock of a banned user. While being an NPP, I stumbled upon this article. Sadly, a quick search revealed little that would contribute to notability. Hence, I think it should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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